The papal authority has gained prominence over the years of its
existence. From the rule of many bishops to the rule of one bishop
--the bishop of Rome. We can't deny the fact that we owe a lot of
our heritage as an orthodox Christian from these forefathers of
faith.
existence. From the rule of many bishops to the rule of one bishop
--the bishop of Rome. We can't deny the fact that we owe a lot of
our heritage as an orthodox Christian from these forefathers of
faith.
For this weeks discussion, comment on
how the Roman Catholic Church used the
Scripture to support their claim of
papal authority, especially their claim of
Peter being the first pope.
The way Catholic churches understood about Peter's mission is a misconception of what Jesus mean in His Word.
ReplyDeleteFirst is that Peter's original name is Simon then Jesus change it into Greek word " petros" which means stone. The large amount of rock is called " Petra" in Greek word. Petros here is Peter and Petra referred to Jesus. Meaning Peter is a stone upon the big Rock (Jesu)where He said " I will build my chruch". Jusus did not say " Peter upon you I will build my church". The church would be built only through Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Peter was the one who recognize Jesus as the as Christ of the Son of God therefore he was given the priviledge of being the first to preach the Gospel after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He therefore open the door of the kingdom od heaven. Kingdom of heaven means " the rule or reign of Jesus Christ". Notice what Jesus mean what He said in Matt. 16: 18-19. The same authority was given to all. Christian believers. That it is our reaponsibility to apread the Gospel because if qe do not preach people will continue to sin and will be eternally bound to it.
Varberg, Richard.1988.Personal Evangelism. Philippines
This is a good book to read though it is meant for evangelism. I would recommend everyone to see this book and review. This will give us an idea on what the Scripture mean in Matt.16:18-19.
DeleteThis is true. This was the correct interpretation of this passage. Roman Catholics maybe just fine this verse to fit their idea of papacy. But then as what it resulted now, we can see that it is really not what God wants for us to follow. Or else maybe they just interpreted this passage literally, not using proper hermeneutics, but maybe they are not that aware of hermeneutics too, but then the Holy Spirit will help us understand Tue Scripture if we would let Him help us too.
DeleteHermeneutics are not appllied properly on the given passages: Matt. 16:18-19; Luke 22:31-32; John 21:15-17. I do not wish to go in the details of such but i do recommend a thorough study of the said verses to Roman Catholics and Protestants alike for the verification of the subject matter. I would like to ask a question though, “how can Peter be the first Pope of Rome while he was executed in Rome around A.D 67?
ReplyDeleteUsing Hermeneutics during the time of Bishops were less. As one who had authority in the church, simple interpretation in the Scripture would be correct. No more arguing for at this time the bishops rules the church. Isn’t it amazing?
DeleteThere are satisfactory evidences that Peter was crucified in Rome but some argued about it. Church traditions said Peter died in Rome by crucifixion upside down and I believed it.
In my own Idea, the way the catholic use the scripture as a support to their claim of papal authority is
ReplyDeletesomehow inappropriate. Just Like what kuya Reinhard said in his comment, the catholic didn't use proper
rules of hermeneutics in interpreting Matthew 16:18-19, Luke 22:31-32, and John 21:15-17. Supposedly, in Matthew 16:18-19, it means that Peter is in the central speed of spreading the gospel.Peter has authority in the circle of apostles and churches in the new testament but this verse does not declare that Peter's authority is like that of the pope today for example: The pope is infalliable but Peter in the new
testament was not. Particularly in Galatians.Paul rebuke peter. In Luke 22:31-32, this verses means that Peter was being warned and encourage that he should stand firm in his faith along with the other apostles.Nowhere in other commentaries talks that this verse talks about papal authority or authority with other apostles
churches. In John 21:15-17, this verse does not imply papal authority. A careful study of the whole context of this passage, Jesus was restoring Peter as his disciple. This passage does not talk any high authority like that of a pope. So When
when the catholic uses the Bible to support their claim of papal authority by using theses verses, i don't think they are getting the point of what every verses is trying to tell. These verses does not declare any authority or support any claims of papal authority.
yes brod. i agree,. however, the problem i see is that even though the truth about with these passage are already set'up. still a lot are believing those false teaching. their improper use of those verses are clearly a violation to God. may your idea about the true interpretation of those verses be fully revealed to those people and that they may know their mistakes.
DeleteYes again brod. This is what the book of 2 Corinthians is saying "the god of this age has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ who is the image of God." THe power, authority, and glory are not in God anymore but to the Pope. they are now the ones who are receiving praises and worship. They are now the ones who are enjoying the glory that is supposed to be for God.
Deleteyes fretch,i agree. they‘re teaching people the wrong way. Many are being deceived and become hard-hearted. indeed this is a great reminder to us to share the Gospel to give God the glory. People need the Lord‘s enlightenment.
Deletei agree too. Peter did not claim to be someone who is authoritative because he know he was serving the God of authority. he died in his service to God but never demand that people should considered him as what the pope claim today for authority. The pope selfish ambition manipulate the scripture to make the claim universally accepted.
DeleteI pretty believe that the use of Matt 16:18-19 was not hermeneutically interpreted. The argument of the Roman Catholic was that Peter was the one Jesus entrusted the church. Peter went to Rome, they claimed that they were His successor. First, Peter was not a pope nor a bishop. He is an apostle and that office has no successor for that is a direct calling from God not a position. Secondly, Peter did not claim he is the Rock. The rock Jesus talking was not about Peter personally, but He himself. Peter was actually inferior concerning his firmness, he denied Christ three times. Jesus, he everlasting faithful foundation of the church. Thirdly, though Peter was that wavy in his faith, but I believe Jesus knew what was in his heart, thus, in John 21, in his reinstatement, Jesus gave him the burden of leading the church faithfully. This was not to gain power but a privilege to prove his love towards Jesus and this lead towards the kind of death he would experience.
DeleteWas Roman Catholic church burdened to love the church as how Jesus wanted Peter to do so?
Wasn't it power what they wanted to gain?
The Roman Catholic church is just clearly using the Scripture to support their claims eventhough the verses talks about Peter but it doesn‘t says about the issue of Peter being the first Pope and papal authority. When we look at the context of these verses plus using hermeneutics, it can bring shame to those who are really Roman Catholics by birth or not. I was just amazed by these bishops who used the Scripture to support their claims eventhough they knew the truth, they twisted the true meaning for the sake of their pride as leaders of the church. Shame to these people who exchange the truth for pride, money or power.Then, how can Peter be the first pope where in fact during the apostolic age there were no evidence that the so-called “Pope” was used. Also, nowhere in the Scripture we can see that the apostle Peter made himself higher than the other apostles. It was the mother of John and James who wanted her sons to sit at the left and right of Jesus Christ but was rebuked.
ReplyDeleteNowadays, I found some pastors who are not using the Scripture properly. They will quote a verse and explain it to defend their views. Hopefully, we as Christians must use the Scripture properly and let the Holy Spirit be our guide with the wisdom that comes from God especially the leaders and pastors.
There are really priests or bishops who still teach what is wrong even though they already knew what is right. That is what happens when a person forgets that he is serving the Lord through his calling and not for selfish ambition. This is a sad reality 'cause to be in the service in the Lord is what they use to get what they desire in life.
DeleteBitaw kui, I also think that this is not just a misinterpretation but a misuse of the Bible so that their authority may gain respect and trust of the people.
Deletethe use of Scripture for one's own motive is definitely a great violation. the roman catholic who uses the scripture for the claim of papal authority is out of the real context and meaning of the text. first scriptural verses are not intended to magnify any human being, but rather its about God's authority. second, scriptures in never for the use of one;s own pleasure, e.g. to quote it as the basis of power of any man, but rather it was intended to guide us to the way to Christ. and lastly, the scripture is not for the use of gaining power, but rather it's for the use of equipping us in the service of the Lord. thus, we are not to put our idea to the Scripture that we now want the Scripture to agree with us, but rather it should be the Scripture to talk what it's message really is.
ReplyDeleteAmen! Out of selfish reasons man would do anything just to get what he wanted. This is a clear example of it. They distorted God's Word and use it for their own benefit.
Deleteyes, those arguments are right. But what i really thankful of is that through that misuse and selfish desire we were reached by the gospel, though was not that really genuine. For we people were pushed to desire to inquire what there was to know about Christianity, most especially about Christ.
DeleteIndeed, in all things God works together for good those who love him Romans 8:28.
Deletewhat the roman catholic did was really a big transgression against God. They used the Scripture in order to support or get their wants. Their interpretation about Peter as the first pope doesn't follow the right principles of interpreting the Scripture. The passages or verses that they use are all out of context. the verses or passages doesn't talk about peter being the first pope or having the highest authority among the disciples. Instead, it is all about peter being reinstated by jesus christ and peter being one of the instruments of God in bringing people to salvation. Jesus never teaches in the scripture that a should be higher or authoritative than others instead, he teaches servant leadership. He never teaches that man's word will be equal to His Word. He never teaches that man's word will be the final authority of christan's life and practices.
ReplyDeleteThe claim using the passages from Matthew, Luke and John was either a hermeneutical error or the Roman Catholic really intended to crookedly use it. Hermeneutical error in the sense that during those time, the people were not really that educated on how to interpret the passage of the Scripture properly and so they came up with that idea using the literal interpretation which we know, is not applicable to all passages in the Scripture. Another is that it is used intentionally for a selfish motive. Perhaps they really wanted to gain the power that is why they came up with that idea and blindly teach it to their congregation to get its support.
ReplyDeleteThese claim are really ridiculous but we are thankful that in our times now, we already have people or even ourselves who knew what the truth is. In that way, we would be of help to those people who are still blinded by the truth.
yes its true, because pope today are projecting themselves as they are really that honorable and people ought follow them. instead on teaching people to honor God, they claim that as if they are god to be worship. thus i know that roman catholic believe that the pope is powerful and it punishable to disobey them. the scripture did not mean that beside peter did not teach the people to worship him but to God.
DeleteIt's so sad how Roman Catholics twisted the truth in God's word. The way they interpret Scriptures is very wrong. Like how they interpreted John 21:15-17. They said, that Peter is the "chief shepherd." But this implies that Jesus just want to remind Peter that he could still fall and that no matter how great a person is, he will still fall. That's why Jesus asked him many times if he truly love Him because Jesus already knew that Peter would betray Him. It never says he is the chief shepherd. We can see here that Jesus is very creative in correcting someone and we have to carefully understand it. As Christians, we have to know more about the Scriptures and of course rely on the power of the Holy Spirit to help us interpret God's word correctly. For the Roman Catholics, we could say that they are blinded because they don't know how to interpret God's word and as Christians, we could also see how great the task we need to do in reaching out these people so they will know the truth and be set free.
ReplyDeleteThese verses are so powerful, just like the rest of the scripture, but then if it is interpreted wrongly it will really have a bad result. Just llike manipulating the scripture to support your idea. I think that this was what happened to the Roman Catholic church as they "interpret" these particular verses. All the previous comments are really true about the right interpretation of these verses. We are given an example as ministers of God through the life of Peter not to support the papal authority because it is still God Who is the head of the church and our highest authority.
ReplyDeleteIf someone would heard of the explanation and interpretation of the RC Church of the passages that they used to support that Peter is the first pope of Rome they might agree and believe them easily.But since Christians knows the truth and how to interpret it correctly we will not be deceive by them. If they just know the right way to interpret it they can understand that Peter is not the first pope of Rome. and also how can they said that Peter is the first pope of Rome when Peter is not from there and he did not even went there. Just the book says that they only used this passages in order to support their belief then it is a big mistake.
ReplyDeletewhat I know about the achieved papal authority was out of the desperation of the popes to gain the whole world. Many people more especially in the lower status who seek out freedom from injustice. They thought they could get help from the spiritual ideals. Thus, these popes took advantage of their needs. From this point of view we cannot I the essence of obedience to the biblical basis. For in the Bible we seek people to help them and share the good news not to use them to gain power to control the world. John 3:16 the word "whoever" implies that everyone has the freedom to choose God's love or not. God, despite that He is sovereign he gave us freedom to choose Him and did not control us.
ReplyDeletethere is rule in interpreting the scripture to keep tract on what the scriptures really mean to us today. the Roman Catholic claim for peter as the first pope is the result of misinterpretation of the scriptures that became universal believed today. The pope was using the scripture to gain the honor and respect of the people on their heir authority from pope Peter. through this truth many honor them and considered holy that should honored, in fact those Roman Catholic who doesn't know what really true is worshiping them. the pope is the authority, they better follow the pope than what the Bible says. these Roman catholic believers are blinded by the truth.
ReplyDeleteIt's also a matter of human desire for position, fame and money because the pope knew what is true, but they still cling and continue to make the claim authoritative from the scripture even if it is not.